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and good evening folks good morning good

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afternoon whatever time you choose to

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listen as always it's shawn the fort

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chop forker

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joined by lon strickler uh here

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at darker day studios broadcasting from

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high atop the pajama factory in

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williamsport pennsylvania lon how are

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you doing tonight

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pretty good uh shoveled out last night i

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had about a foot of snow

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but uh everything's pretty good today a

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of snow that's incredible i had nothing

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here so i feel fortunate for once yeah

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i'm sorry you had to dig out you had a

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busy day today i'm sure that didn't make

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matters any easier uh

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we were in the hospital most of the day

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today and you know the roads were not

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that great this morning but uh

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looks pretty good now

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well one thing you can always count on

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when you have something to do is bad

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absolutely yeah there's no doubt about

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lon we've had a busy yeah week

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has been somewhat of a busy week and and

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we got an awful lot going on i mean

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you know things going on the personal

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time and again i apologize

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for our lack of broadcast of the crypto

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anomaly show we are still working hard

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on it and i hope to get it up sometime

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this weekend

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and by getting up i mean the show uh not

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anything that may need blue pill

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so uh we're doing okay there uh again

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though busy week lon you and i appeared

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on show notes with shannon legro monday

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night we had a pretty good time

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yeah we did it was a good show i thought

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um seemed a lot of people liked it

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it was pretty high on their ratings as

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well i got a lot of feedback off of it

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and i got you know i did get some

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because of it as well yeah you were

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telling me you got some uh reports

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coming in there

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we're gonna be uh you're gonna be

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investigating i'm sure we'll have some

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uh information on

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phantomsandmonsters.com of course where

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you can find all the good stuff from lon

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the pulse of the paranormal that's what

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we call him because of his ability to

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get the information and get it up

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uh there for the masses to to read you

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that's what we do these uh

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these shows for and that's what lawn

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does to blog for to get the paranormal

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uh but yeah we did the show with shannon

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lee grow and if you go to sasquatch

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chronicles dot com

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you can sign up and listen now uh i i'm

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a member of sasquatch chronicles dot com

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i'm a big supporter of the program

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and the subprograms they have going on

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uh on that website

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and uh it's almost a network lawn yeah

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yeah and it's a well-done show as well

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these folks really take their time and

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about what they're putting out there and

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his buddy that were followed

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by a sasquatch creature it was a pretty

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compelling story and again i encourage

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you to go to sasquatch chronicles dot

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and sign up and not only can you hear

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lon and i's show from monday on the

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program show notes with shannon but you

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can also hear all the other programming

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they have to offer which is

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is top notch in my opinion and you're

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talking to a guy that pretty much

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their encounters and uh it's pretty

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lon so it was a rare opportunity for me

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not the one given the answers but that's

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neither here nor there but uh lon

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speaking of monsters and mysteries

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you've got an upcoming appearance on m2

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about mantis man and folks check your

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listings on destination america lon why

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enterprise that's what they remind me of

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but uh folks are seeing them lon you're

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america and they'll be talking about

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we'll have to tune in and uh

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maybe talk about it in the future always

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learning new stuff every day here on uh

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arcane radio uh just every day

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yeah we do it's exciting times this is

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what we signed up for though when we did

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this we said we want we wanted to

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that enough people watch it that it gets

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reporting these things that's what we

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so lon i backed i don't know if you're

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too familiar with uh

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our friend seth breedlove my friend seth

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breedlove over there at the sas what

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a podcast on bigfoot he and the

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gentleman from fathom frontiers have put

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production company small town monsters

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and they're doing a feature documentary

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on the minerva monster

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and kickstarter was they had a project

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that i funded so i'll be getting a

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little credit at the end of the movie

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and a package of goodies for

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kickstarting the project

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see it it's all going to be talking

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about the minerva monster flap in the

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anxious to see it we'll get seth on the

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to talk about it so we can um

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we can get folks more tuned in and aware

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of the project

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so we can uh give these guys some

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to promote that over fans and monsters

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no problem excellent well i'll get them

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in touch with you so we can get uh

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the ball rolling on some of that a

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little late to the game but i've been

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what's going to come to fruition with

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that's going to premiere at the ohio

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bigfoot conference

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which i'll be at in may so i'll be able

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to give a full recap

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on the program as well if you go to the

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you'll be able to read reviews and

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commentary i have and lana and i are

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going to start adding some things to our

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we call it our uh the arcane radio blog

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just adding some blurbs on there too

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getting you guys

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kind of uh abreast of what's going on

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and what's going on in our lives i mean

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lon does a lot of

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uh you do a lot of everyday uh

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posting about uh stories and encounters

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and everything you get but folks really

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don't know

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a lot about us as people necessarily a

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lot about us behind the scenes so i

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thought it might be a good outlet for

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them to get to know us just a little bit

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we'll

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post little fun topical things on there

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like shawn and lon's favorite top 10

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this so they get to know us a little bit

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i think that'd be fun okay

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yeah that sounds cool and if they don't

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but of course you go to our website

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arcaneradio.com and through the website

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you can like us on twitter

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google plus yes people are still using

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google plus and facebook

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and uh i'm a social media uh whoever

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uh i guess one would say i'm socially

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active so

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uh you can usually find me on social

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media at some point during the day

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uh speaking of social media and events

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uh the paranormal round table coming up

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on april 18th

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2015 from 9 00 a.m to 8 p.m

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at the alberta area community center 220

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west 2nd street alberta's pa

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18011 tickets are 15

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online or 20 at the door uh it's a

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paranormal round table

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uh it's a round table discussion on

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ghost paranormal cryptozoology ufos in

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the high

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and the cases of high strangeness and

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pennsylvania and audience participation

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and open farm questions

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featuring ghost hunters incorporated the

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keystone bigfoot project

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legend hunters phantoms and monsters 14

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research that's you and me lawn

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uh ufo research center of pennsylvania

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uh which is butch buckowski

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are the man putting this on he's a good

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guy we we like butch

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a lot tickets available at alh

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eight credit cards are accepted

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limited supply of 300 people on yeah and

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i i you know i

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have it well i did talk to butch a

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little bit but he

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uh he's been kind of out of touch he had

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a death in the family

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not long ago and uh you know he's

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just trying to get back in order but i i

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don't know how many that have been sold

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so far

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so uh maybe we can get an update on that

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sometime soon

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well we hope to kind of get the folks an

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idea of what's going to be going on and

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you and i get an idea of what's going on

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so we can be well prepared for this

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because tentatively

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you and i are both going to be there

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yeah so uh

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i'm excited about this alone we don't do

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too much

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in the world of uh public uh

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events and uh uh but we're starting to

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get there a little bit you and i really

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i mean aside from interviews and

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everything not really publicity [\h__\h]

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no i wouldn't i wouldn't say so though

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you know i don't

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mind putting things up on facebook and

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on the blog once well

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but other than that i'm not sure my face

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all over the place yeah no i mean aside

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from the you know couple interviews you

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do i don't do too many interviews and i

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i haven't done tv and you know me i

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struggle with actually wanting to do

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tv so uh this is our preferred medium

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our radio show where we kind of control

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the conversation and we get to talk

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about what uh what's really important to

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us

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and what's important to you the

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listeners and folks we always strive for

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uh you know bringing you the best show

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possible in terms of information and

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quality so as always if you have any

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questions comments concerns or ideas

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send them to us

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arcane radio it's info at

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arcaneradio.com

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info arcane radio dot com and i check

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that email

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every time it goes to my phone so which

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is quite often

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so we get uh updated frequently from

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what people want to hear but we need you

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to start telling us so we can make the

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show better

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any input lon well no not really you

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know i i

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i did what i did want to mention uh

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uh a signing report i did receive now

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it's not a recent signing report

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but it was from someone who had heard

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the show we had with shannon

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and uh as a result i i did receive a lot

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of inquiries

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and a few signing accounts by email but

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this one report in particular caught my

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attention so

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i followed up on it and

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this is uh it's from uh lake barkley

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kentucky

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she said hi lana i enjoyed the interview

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you you and sean gave with shannon

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i'm one of those eyewitnesses who has a

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refrain from talking about my sighting

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but here it goes i currently live in

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southern illinois my husband

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i grew up in rural line county kentucky

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and

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many weekends fishing one early

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april 2001 morning when i was 14

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we pulled the boat out of the slip we

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pulled the boat out of the slip and

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headed

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south into lake barkley

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it was an extremely overcast day with a

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heavy fog

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in fact we almost canceled that day

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about an

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hour after we moved into the river the

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sun broke through the clouds and the fog

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started to lift so dad said he wanted to

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try out

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the brush piles in one of the shallow

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bays off the land between the lakes area

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now dad pulled into one of the bays and

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dropped anchor

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we then started fishing off the brush

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piles i can remember

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that we were landing crappies and were

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having a very good morning

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after an hour things slowed down so we

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decided to have some lunch

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we sat in the boat eating about 100

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yards excuse me

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100 foot from shore i think it was close

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to noon but i'm not

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positive we had finished eating and dad

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started to pull the anchor when we heard

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a loud splash we looked towards the

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brush pile

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and again there was a large and loud

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splash

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dad thought someone was throwing rocks

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so he said that we

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needed to find another location we

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started to pull

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off towards the main lake when i

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happened to catch

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a look at a man walking along the shore

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after

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it walked from behind the brush pile

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then i noticed that this was not a man

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because i had hair

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over its entire body it was a bigfoot

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i yelled at dad and he looked as i

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pointed towards it

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he cut the motor off and we sat there

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watching the bigfoot throwing rocks into

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the water

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it looked like it was trying to hit

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something

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we watched for several minutes as the

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bigfoot moved in and out of the brush

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on shore dad wanted to get closer so he

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could take a picture on his

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on his phone but i was scared and begged

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him to leave

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the water was shallow and i was afraid

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it would get mad and attack us

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we tried to get a he tried to get a

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photo but for some reason the phone

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wasn't working correctly

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we then noticed that there were small

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there was a smaller boat heading toward

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us

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there was a man on the motor as he came

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near he cut the motor and looked towards

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the bigfoot

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he definitely saw it because he looked

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back at us

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with a surprise look on his face

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dad was alarmed and said that we were

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leaving by that time he was upset that

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someone else had seen us observing the

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bigfoot

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he recognized the man in the boat my dad

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was well known in the area

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and he was worried that would hap

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what would happen if his name was

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associated with a bigfoot sighting

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when we got home that evening i told mom

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what we saw

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well

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that's as far as the story won i was

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told to never tell anyone

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what we saw had seen because it would

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create problems

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i told the story to my husband not long

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after we were married his reaction was

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favorable

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and he has showed interest in what we

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saw

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i guess we can refer to ourselves as

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bigfoot enthusiasts

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this is why we listened to you and sean

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because we were aware of your encounter

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and have listened to your podcast

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and that's my story i wish to remain

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anonymous mostly because my parents

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fear of ridicule thanks for reading so

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i got a hold of uh her initial d e

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and i got a hold of d e i contacted d

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in order to get a description of the

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bigfoot she really didn't give me any

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description in the original

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letter so um she states that it was

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about

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six and a half to seven foot tall and

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very broad in the shoulders the hair was

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very thick and dark brown

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she could not estimate a weight i asked

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if it was bipedal the entire time

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that she observed it which she

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acknowledged it was

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uh she believes that they viewed the

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bigfoot for almost 10 minutes

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which you know i believe a fairly

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remarkable long period of time

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and uh now i asked her if she was aware

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of the supernatural war in the area

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particularly the beast the beast of the

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land between the lakes

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which is the uh supposed

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canine cryptid that runs around in that

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area

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and she what she didn't knowing about

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i don't know you know that's what i got

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it's interesting was she they were on

555
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the water in a boat yeah

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i had i had a bigfoot sighting

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a few years ago up in wisconsin

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uh from fisherman

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where they saw it on the uh and that was

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actually i think that was a group

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a group of three that was seen i forget

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the name of the lake

563
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,320
but uh yeah this one in this

564
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,000
report in that report have been the only

565
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,000
two i've ever received

566
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,360
from people's on a boat

567
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:17,039
i haven't heard too many and they also

568
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,280
describe the actual um

569
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,960
what am i trying the activity of rock

570
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,400
throwing at something in the water

571
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,159
probably trying to fish or get something

572
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,159
to eat possibly

573
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,880
definitely a good uh a good uh

574
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,240
eyewitness report

575
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:35,360
yeah um you know that was you know what

576
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,400
14 years ago but still uh

577
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:43,120
you know it's uh it's pretty compelling

578
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,000
report

579
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,159
now of course we've all heard of the you

580
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:48,559
know the legends of the area

581
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:52,240
uh but you know she and she wasn't even

582
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,120
aware of that

583
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,200
so you know i don't know what that was

584
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,799
all about i thought everybody around

585
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,880
there knew that story but

586
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,799
apparently she didn't so i don't think

587
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,320
her parents

588
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:05,760
were probably into the cryptid folklore

589
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,240
that much they weren't happy about you

590
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:10,159
know seeing that bigfoot so

591
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,320
um yeah so i can understand why it

592
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:15,840
wasn't reported

593
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,919
with like people in that area though lon

594
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:19,440
and people in some of these more

595
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,720
rural communities uh they don't like to

596
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,480
talk about this stuff too often

597
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,640
uh you know very conservative areas

598
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,320
where they don't like to put their

599
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,600
credibility on the line

600
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,520
and i think oftentimes we forget that

601
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,120
and that's why i'm glad we do arcane

602
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:35,039
radio to get the word out there and

603
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,400
you know they have an outlet like

604
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,400
phantoms and monsters to report this

605
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,320
stuff to because

606
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,919
who else they going to talk to you know

607
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:43,200
i mean where else is this information

608
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:44,000
going to go besides

609
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:45,200
nowhere they're going to take it to the

610
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,480
grave because they're not going to talk

611
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,919
to their neighbors about it

612
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,520
unless usually someone sparks that

613
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:51,120
conversation first you know what i'm

614
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,679
saying

615
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,919
somebody somebody initially initiates

616
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,880
that

617
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,520
and i just wonder how many reports are

618
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:59,039
out there that we don't have because of

619
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,559
those attitudes so the more we can

620
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,320
provide something like this and an

621
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,360
outlet

622
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,120
uh i think it's a much greater service

623
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,200
than what we um than what we think we're

624
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,799
doing out here on the program and

625
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,960
different avenues we have going

626
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:13,120
yeah i agree with you i do i do agree

627
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,240
with you because there is uh

628
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,480
it's like pulling t sometimes with

629
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,360
people you know i

630
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:19,200
you know they do get enough courage

631
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,400
sometimes

632
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,320
to give you a cursory report of

633
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,919
something but then they won't go beyond

634
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,799
that

635
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,919
and of course they're not going to tell

636
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,240
you who they are so you know

637
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,240
you get very little out of that and you

638
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,840
know then it's hard

639
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,360
to even get anybody to believe what was

640
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,120
going on i mean it's good for records

641
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,600
but other than that it's not much to it

642
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,080
but um you know that's why i try to

643
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,440
follow up with people

644
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,760
because i never know what else i'm going

645
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:44,720
to get

646
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,679
out of them of course this this report i

647
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,280
had to get ahold of her because

648
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,039
she really didn't give me a description

649
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,200
and i wanted to see what she had to say

650
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:56,080
but uh you know that that is a good

651
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:56,960
thing about

652
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,159
trying to follow up because uh you know

653
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:02,159
you you can find out other information

654
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,720
which is

655
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,480
you know that's that's what

656
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:06,840
investigating is all about

657
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,470
you know me i don't like to miss

658
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,159
opportunities like this when we don't

659
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,840
have to when we have something we can

660
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,400
jump on and talk to and especially if

661
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,159
it's in my area i don't mind going out

662
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,080
to check these things

663
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:24,320
check these things out get them going i

664
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,840
we need these reports to keep the

665
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,559
research fresh

666
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,720
yeah and you know actually the reports

667
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:32,240
coming into uh

668
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,000
pbs have been fairly steady and uh

669
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:38,240
you know of course you know we get we

670
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,120
got our uh

671
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:41,840
an email when one comes in now i'm not

672
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,240
saying

673
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,919
oh i'm not the greatest but you know

674
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:46,000
they we have been getting some decent

675
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,039
reports

676
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,960
well we have uh recently we've been

677
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:50,080
getting some good ones and

678
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,520
and you know let's see if they come to

679
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,080
fruition and what comes of these

680
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,840
uh what comes of these things at least

681
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,279
we're taking the shots you know i mean

682
00:24:02,950 --> 00:23:59,440
we're following up on what's coming out

683
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:02,960
and to me that's really important

684
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,240
yeah absolutely i agree with you

685
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,480
just so much going on uh you know with

686
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,640
uh

687
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,039
that that we investigate and follow up

688
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,880
on specifically yourself

689
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,799
um have you heard anything up from our

690
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:18,080
friends up in canada about that

691
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,279
habituation

692
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:22,960
going on up there now uh the gentleman

693
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,640
hasn't contacted me lately uh

694
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:29,120
i i know i know he did have some medical

695
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,000
issues

696
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,960
at that time so i don't know if if

697
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,960
that's what's been going on

698
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,559
he was a regular listen to the other

699
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,240
show

700
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,080
and i think that's the reason why he

701
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,799
initially contacted me though he did um

702
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,840
he does get phantoms of monsters as well

703
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,000
but

704
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,440
uh i you know

705
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,159
this may sound strange but you know the

706
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,919
habituation was one thing and i

707
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,559
did believe what he told me but i think

708
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:58,240
some of the ufo activity

709
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:02,320
was more you know was more interesting

710
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,760
um and just because

711
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,520
you know they had the ufo activity in

712
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,919
habituation at the same time

713
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,600
i'm i'm pretty sure there may have been

714
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:13,120
well there may very well been a

715
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:14,240
connection

716
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:17,679
he had um he had been putting out

717
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:21,279
trail cams and

718
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,240
he had been picking up um

719
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,039
he'd been picking up uh images of

720
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,720
something with hair

721
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,640
trying to sneak a look into the trail

722
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,559
cam a couple times

723
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,799
uh it was hard to distinguish what it

724
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:38,080
was

725
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,679
enough light if this thing got too close

726
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,360
to the lens

727
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,720
the hair was nothing that i had

728
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:51,919
i know that was you know

729
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:55,600
as far as an indigenous animal or

730
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,190
you know i had to i had to send those

731
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,120
over to you i got a few of the uh

732
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:06,320
i got a few of the uh videos well you

733
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,799
know what's

734
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,880
fun the hair is it's pretty interesting

735
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,559
to see

736
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,000
folks really liked your comment you made

737
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,679
the other night about trail cam is not

738
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,520
picking up bigfoot but they sure always

739
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:17,200
pick up the raccoon stealing the candy

740
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,919
bar

741
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,080
absolutely you know folks really enjoyed

742
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:21,440
that comment there's a lot of truth to

743
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:21,919
that

744
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,279
yeah but uh we we got an interesting

745
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:26,720
show coming up tonight lon

746
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,080
uh tonight's guests uh dennis carroll

747
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:33,200
uh demonologist and cryptid researcher

748
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,360
uh from the uh carolina society for

749
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,360
paranormal research and investigations

750
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,640
incorporated

751
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,919
they're more than just ghost hunters and

752
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,080
uh dennis is going to be joining us he's

753
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,520
going to be talking about his upcoming

754
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,760
episode on ghost asylum on destination

755
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,039
america

756
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:53,360
he's the co-author of the road unseen a

757
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,400
paranormal journey

758
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,960
into high strangeness he's the co-host

759
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,720
of paranormal shop talk and he's going

760
00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:00,159
to be on to talk to us tonight about

761
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,880
what they do

762
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,200
and what he's been involved in it's a

763
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:05,440
new guest to us so we're just excited as

764
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,080
uh anyone

765
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:09,279
else to get started on this uh on this

766
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,840
show

767
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,840
and uh you know delon we haven't really

768
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,320
de-evolved into uh demonology

769
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,360
and and that sort of stuff in a while

770
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,880
yeah you know i um i do kind of get

771
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,720
involved with it with clients once in a

772
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:24,960
while but you know i don't you know

773
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,990
my uh description of malevolence or evil

774
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,039
i don't like to really call it

775
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,039
demonology or demons

776
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,880
uh i guess that that's i think that's

777
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,279
more of a religious

778
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:44,559
you know religious connotation for

779
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,480
evil and malevolency

780
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,039
it's just plain evil you know and there

781
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:52,640
are different levels of evil

782
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,320
and in fact i i got somebody calling

783
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,880
i had somebody contact me today about

784
00:28:03,430 --> 00:27:59,840
shadow people

785
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,440
and uh and it's something that's been

786
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,520
going on with the family for over 15

787
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:06,960
years so that'll be

788
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:09,279
something that'll be interesting those

789
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,240
shadow people

790
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,200
cases are um they're dangerous they can

791
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:15,200
be dangerous and

792
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,640
there have been some reports that

793
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,559
people think that you know these things

794
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,840
these shattered people

795
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,039
were responsible for a death

796
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:27,440
especially with an older person or a

797
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:28,159
young

798
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,000
or a child and uh they they do seem to

799
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,080
cause a lot of havoc

800
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,840
so you know this is something new this

801
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,760
is something i'm gonna be getting into

802
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,399
i've had other cases as well so yeah

803
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,159
it's gonna be interesting talking to

804
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,440
dennis and

805
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,039
and i don't know if his partner

806
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:46,720
brandon's gonna be with him but i'd like

807
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,360
to you know

808
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,520
see what he has to say about it yeah i

809
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,200
mean they wrote the book

810
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,080
uh again the road unseen a paranormal

811
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,679
journey into high strangeness which i

812
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,880
haven't read yet

813
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,320
i'm going to be quite transparent about

814
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,240
it i haven't read the

815
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,320
book yet but it's definitely going to be

816
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,600
on my list of

817
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,399
next reads speaking of lists of reads

818
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,240
lon have you seen

819
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:11,440
the latest from the

820
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,559
north american wood ape conservancy no

821
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,440
i have the uh monogram they just put out

822
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,200
and let me get some information on that

823
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,600
here real quick

824
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,360
north american wood ape you can find

825
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,640
them on the book face as my

826
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,960
good friend will caps likes to call it

827
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:30,399
the big face

828
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,399
um it's called the uh

829
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,240
uh ochita project i believe i'm

830
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,600
pronouncing that right

831
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,320
uh and it's their uh it's long too so if

832
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,559
you're looking for a bigfoot book

833
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,080
you can go on it it's a couple it's

834
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,360
about 170 pages long i think lon

835
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,640
and uh it's really

836
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,440
it's probably one of the best papers

837
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,720
i've read

838
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,159
i've started because i haven't finished

839
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,799
it all yet on documentation of what's

840
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,399
going on in a bigfoot research area of

841
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,399
course you know they talk about area x

842
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,080
which is an area they've done long-term

843
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,559
study and investigations into

844
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:09,200
and uh you know i really encourage folks

845
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:17,029
www.woodape.org and check it out brian

846
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,000
brown he's the

847
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:21,039
communications uh spokesperson for the

848
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:21,360
uh

849
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,360
he's been on

850
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,520
it was on i doubted i mean doubtful news

851
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,640
with uh

852
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,960
oh i can't even remember her name sharon

853
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,320
hill yeah i'm sorry sharon if you're

854
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,480
listening to this i apologize

855
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,880
uh you know and say what you want about

856
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,000
her she's a little uh

857
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:39,360
you know she's a skeptic you know what i

858
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,640
mean which you know we toss that word

859
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,480
around like it's dirty it's not

860
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,240
i mean i think it's all depending on the

861
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,159
attitude that person carries with it

862
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:49,120
and she's given this a very a level and

863
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,679
fair

864
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,480
assessment uh on this paper which i

865
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,159
appreciate because you know milan

866
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,399
that scientist in me i i like that fair

867
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:57,679
and balanced

868
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,519
like the fair

869
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:03,120
fair balanced reporting from actual

870
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,320
researchers when they're putting stuff

871
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,240
out there saying this is the possibility

872
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,919
this is the documentation this is what

873
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,159
we have this is what we think it is

874
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,120
based upon those factors

875
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,720
yeah i mean you know i can't comment a

876
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,720
whole lot on sharon she threw me off her

877
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,399
website i can't tell you that

878
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:21,279
but uh at least it wasn't off a bridge

879
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:21,840
no

880
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,159
read her calm

881
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,360
her blog so uh yeah i mean yeah you know

882
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,720
you got to be skeptic you got to be

883
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,799
skeptical about this anyway i mean

884
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,360
that's

885
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,320
aren't you have to go and just take

886
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,679
everything for

887
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,840
you know as written you know are just

888
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,279
getting themselves in a bind

889
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,519
for the most part so themselves up for

890
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,120
failure yeah

891
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,039
there's no doubt about that so yeah if

892
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,240
you're uh if you're reporting on stuff

893
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,480
uh you you do have to take it with a

894
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:55,279
grain of salt and have to check into it

895
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,279
uh you know it may not be true but if

896
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,000
if you know my motto is it you know if

897
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:04,720
they took the time to contact me

898
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,799
and they continue to talk and

899
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,880
they do believe they saw something then

900
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:12,559
i'm going to report it

901
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,320
and it would go from there definitely

902
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,840
but you know like i said folks if you're

903
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,440
interested go to woodape.org

904
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,120
and check it out it's right on the main

905
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:22,640
page

906
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,679
uh and it's just it's a great read and

907
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,679
i i really think it's important for

908
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,960
folks that are really serious about it

909
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,159
to take a look

910
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,919
and i'm going to be going into it a lot

911
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,279
deeper

912
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,159
but i just really appreciate the uh

913
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,760
appreciate the efforts they put into it

914
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,120
and being able to

915
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,320
read this great piece of uh what we'll

916
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,950
yeah i'm looking forward to look at that

917
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,880
and you know i'll actually put the link

918
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,720
up to that on our page so anybody who

919
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,640
wants to go check it out they can go and

920
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:55,600
uh

921
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,600
go and see and it shall be

922
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,039
you know i haven't you know i haven't

923
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,919
really read a foot a bigfoot book and

924
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,159
god knows how long it's been a long time

925
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:08,240
let's say the last book i actually read

926
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,640
cover to cover was tom pals the locals

927
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,320
that was a good book and it was very

928
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:16,720
different because it explores different

929
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,399
uh possibilities for what the bigfoot

930
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,919
may be in one i think you'd like it

931
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:23,440
because it expounds on some of those

932
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,000
with different

933
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,519
cases and studies and and will not

934
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:28,960
studies different cases

935
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,000
and uh witness reports and uh you know

936
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,440
opinion that tom puts in there but it's

937
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,799
a really good book and it's one of my

938
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:36,159
favorites of course you know we all know

939
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,960
my favorite is

940
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,519
sasquatch the apes among us by john

941
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:41,440
green that started it all for me

942
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:45,039
but uh the tom pals uh the locals is

943
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,399
right up there is one of my favorite

944
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,519
books

945
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,600
and it's definitely worth checking out

946
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,840
you can get that on amazon.com still

947
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:52,960
good book he also

948
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,799
wrote uh wrote another book after that

949
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,240
regarding that i haven't read i think

950
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,919
it's called shady neighbors

951
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,519
it might be uh it might be titled

952
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:02,799
something else i hope it's shady

953
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,519
neighbors

954
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,600
uh but the book also from what i

955
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,399
understand is uh that book's also

956
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,879
pretty well uh written but the locals is

957
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,159
another one to check out folks if you're

958
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,159
looking to read so check out the

959
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,200
monograph uh monogram put out by the uh

960
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,040
what ape conservancy

961
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,040
yeah the monograph i'm sorry i'm

962
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,399
butchering that

963
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,320
all the hell tonight i haven't been

964
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,240
drinking folks i promise

965
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,320
uh just a little iced tea here from the

966
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,679
local mcdonald's which

967
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,040
you know i really don't care for

968
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,399
mcdonald's but it was in the

969
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,839
neighborhood and i was thirsty and

970
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,280
hungry

971
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,440
what you got to do on the fly lawn

972
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,800
anything coming from phantoms and

973
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:40,480
monsters this week that we can

974
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,159
jack about not really um you know i'm

975
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,839
normally most of stuff comes in during

976
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,679
the weekend so um

977
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,520
right now i don't know i'm you know i

978
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:50,879
don't have anything

979
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,079
uh sitting there waiting to go in so

980
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:56,879
uh it'll all be by year from now to

981
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,520
monday

982
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,960
well you know i guess one thing we could

983
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,720
report on that we didn't was the passing

984
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,720
of leonard nimoy

985
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,440
yeah that's true and you know i did

986
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,720
write a little bit about

987
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,760
that the other day uh

988
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,480
well especially with his involvement in

989
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:13,599
in search of

990
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:17,599
and i wrote something about the bigfoot

991
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:21,040
episode and uh you know it was really

992
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,760
the first thing

993
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,520
that you know i knew about bigfoot but

994
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,520
it was really the first time

995
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:28,800
that some of the evidence was put out

996
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,599
there

997
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,520
of course john green was on that show

998
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,880
and uh

999
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:34,960
renee was on there and some other people

1000
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,240
and uh it you know it was uh

1001
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,320
it was just really talking about the

1002
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,720
bigfoot in you know pacific northwest

1003
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,480
but of course since then you know

1004
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:47,040
bigfoot's been reported worldwide but

1005
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:50,400
you know i i just think that was the

1006
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:54,480
in the initial the most important maybe

1007
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,079
uh documentary even though it was just

1008
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,880
a half hour documentary and uh kind of

1009
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,880
gave people a little idea the science

1010
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,520
behind

1011
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,960
bigfoot you know lon it's

1012
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:09,119
you know i think about you know as a kid

1013
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,000
because you know two different

1014
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,280
generations you and i are

1015
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,400
you know actually almost three different

1016
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,119
generations but

1017
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,760
between us but you know literally

1018
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,040
speaking here

1019
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,280
uh i grew up on syndication you know

1020
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,880
with uh things like in search you know

1021
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,160
reruns

1022
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,760
uh same with star trek i grew up on

1023
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,520
reruns of those things but you know as a

1024
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,560
kid

1025
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,640
you know and if folks read about me or

1026
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,320
listen to any of my other episodes

1027
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,839
you'll know that things i

1028
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,000
you know attribute to my my passion and

1029
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,320
my love of cryptozoology and what we do

1030
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,240
was in search of as a kid growing up it

1031
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,240
was on in the house

1032
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,240
in search of unsolved mysteries both

1033
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,040
leonard and robert stack are gone

1034
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,640
and those are two voices i'm very

1035
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:51,119
familiar with uh from my childhood that

1036
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,480
i really

1037
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,960
really enjoyed and uh you know gentlemen

1038
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,880
i aspired to be

1039
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,960
i always wanted to host my own program

1040
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:00,560
about uh

1041
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,240
the paranormal alas here i am and uh

1042
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,839
but that was one thing i always wanted

1043
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,640
to do growing up so i always had a yeah

1044
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,320
i want to say a kinship

1045
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,480
with those guys because what they did

1046
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,400
was cool at a time when

1047
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,680
you know those things still really

1048
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,560
weren't mainstream and

1049
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,839
you know i guess i have an appreciation

1050
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,520
that besides you know my affinity for

1051
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,000
star trek

1052
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,040
i am a uh i want i don't say a lifelong

1053
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,720
star trek fan my uncle tom

1054
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,400
got me into it when i was like nine or

1055
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,480
ten years old so around the same time i

1056
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,599
started getting interested in the

1057
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:32,800
sasquatch

1058
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:36,000
and uh those things you know to explore

1059
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,760
and or have always been kind of uh

1060
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,760
you know a personal uh credence and

1061
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,119
activity for me you know i like to

1062
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:44,560
explore i like to

1063
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,079
discuss and travel and see new things

1064
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,079
and have new experiences and i really

1065
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,680
thank leonard nimoy for that because as

1066
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,640
a kid

1067
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,880
you know that voice resonated with the

1068
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,640
paranormal in my household i grew up in

1069
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,000
those things my grandfather whose

1070
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:59,520
birthday was yesterday happy birthday

1071
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,560
paw

1072
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,400
which i uh you know put out there on the

1073
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,240
facebook shameless plugs

1074
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,800
and uh you know around his house growing

1075
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,400
up he always had books about

1076
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,920
uh strange journeys and amazon uh

1077
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,760
he had us actually had a first edition

1078
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:15,119
of vincent price

1079
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,280
monsters which a heartbound uh

1080
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,960
was a hardbound book that i have in my

1081
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,720
possession now it's really beaten up as

1082
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,240
a kid i read that book

1083
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,920
and referred to it many times actually

1084
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,240
have it duct taped together

1085
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,079
so it's probably not worth anything but

1086
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,400
the sentimental value on it

1087
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,839
you know that was the book my grandpa

1088
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,960
gave me and uh between that book and

1089
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,880
uh sasquatch apes among us and shows

1090
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,000
like in search of

1091
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,920
and unsolved mysteries and arthur c

1092
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,520
clarke's mysterious world

1093
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,119
yeah you know those are shows that

1094
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,640
really got me hooked

1095
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,800
and that's what uh you know really

1096
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,640
prompted me to stay involved and to do

1097
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,800
this and now here we are along with

1098
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,240
you know we were on beyond the edge we

1099
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:56,000
have arcane radio you know those things

1100
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,720
said still

1101
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,640
i owe a great deal of thanks to leonard

1102
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,240
nimoy for

1103
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,720
yeah you know that that actual episode

1104
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,000
was first presented

1105
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,359
in april 77 and that was about a year

1106
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,839
after i graduated from high school

1107
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,280
and you know i had already been

1108
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:13,359
investigating a whole lot of locations

1109
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,760
in

1110
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,000
southern pennsylvania but that

1111
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,200
documentary really did do my eyes up

1112
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,079
to our mysterious and anomalous world

1113
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,520
and

1114
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,160
you know then of course five years four

1115
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,240
years later i had my encounter

1116
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,000
in sykesville and my world changed

1117
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,560
forever and i was hooked you know i

1118
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,480
you know i needed to find the truth out

1119
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,800
about bigfoot and other cryptids

1120
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,520
uh but you know that show itself had uh

1121
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,119
you know like i said had john green

1122
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,520
robert w morgan was in there sam

1123
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:44,960
melville

1124
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,040
uh renee was in it uh

1125
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:52,640
it was uh you know it really was the

1126
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,720
the kind of thing that sparked uh

1127
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,839
my interest in you know bigfoot in

1128
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:00,480
general

1129
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:03,839
but you know after seeing one then i had

1130
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,430
well you know and my story you know came

1131
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,960
just from reading the books and and

1132
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,079
being involved

1133
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,480
and watching the tv programs but they

1134
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,880
made a lasting impact on my life

1135
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:19,200
and uh you know i don't know you don't

1136
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,560
think about these things and you don't

1137
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,240
really pay much attention until the

1138
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,640
people that inspire you uh

1139
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,760
those that inspire start to expire and

1140
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,200
then you start thinking about things and

1141
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,800
putting things in perspective and

1142
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:33,680
absolutely it's sad but you know as you

1143
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:34,319
know

1144
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,000
was 83 at some point he

1145
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,079
that uh that timetable was going to be

1146
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:44,240
up yeah

1147
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,480
yeah he was kind of looking rough anyway

1148
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:50,640
and you know i know he had copd

1149
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,319
and um you know

1150
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:57,119
it's just another one it's funny it's

1151
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,599
funny

1152
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,359
people that you looked up to or people

1153
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:01,200
that were celebrities when you were a

1154
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:01,599
kid

1155
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,960
of course i'm dating myself but yeah

1156
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,240
you know they're all going by the

1157
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,079
wayside now and uh

1158
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,280
it is kind of strange it is

1159
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,480
who's going to replace them you know

1160
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,240
what i mean those are just not like

1161
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,560
people but iconic voices you know

1162
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,079
name another person that had a voice

1163
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,839
like leonard nimoy or a voice like

1164
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,200
robert stack

1165
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,319
yeah even yeah i always joke with my

1166
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,680
wife that if i want to get a voice like

1167
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,440
that i gotta drink more scotch and smoke

1168
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,440
more cigarettes

1169
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,200
of course you know i don't smoke but the

1170
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,640
occasional cigar and i'm not

1171
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,800
fond of drinking but you know it's one

1172
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,240
of those you know those voices

1173
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,480
you know who else has a voice like that

1174
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,920
and

1175
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,760
you know these guys you take it for

1176
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,119
granted but you know

1177
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,280
the you can almost close your eyes when

1178
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,640
you think about bigfoot

1179
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:49,920
or or loch ness or ogopogo and you can

1180
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,960
hear leonard nimoy talking about

1181
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,640
those things in here he also narrated

1182
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,599
ancient mysteries uh segment on bigfoot

1183
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,520
yeah yeah he did which is one of my

1184
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,800
favorite documentaries

1185
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,440
uh as well so i mean you know just

1186
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,640
closing your eyes and think about

1187
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,000
resonating on these things yeah he was

1188
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,520
important to the world of star trek but

1189
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:08,560
really

1190
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,000
know the world of star trek

1191
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,520
you know the trekkers and the trekkies

1192
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,880
out there and then you know the world of

1193
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,880
cryptozoology and the paranormal

1194
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:23,440
uh inspired by in search of and and

1195
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,000
shows

1196
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,480
like that man you know that's something

1197
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,119
special

1198
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,240
and uh we we are very thankful for those

1199
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,839
gentlemen and again close your eyes and

1200
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:33,200
you think about it those are the voices

1201
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,160
i hear

1202
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,319
right away in my head well you know rod

1203
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,200
serling

1204
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,359
actually was supposed to do that show

1205
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,880
but he passed away

1206
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,560
before the first season started because

1207
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,079
he had done um

1208
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,040
he had done specials in search of

1209
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:48,800
ancient astronauts

1210
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,160
in the in search of uh ancient mysteries

1211
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,520
which aired prior to the regular

1212
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:58,640
nimoy series but rod sterling passed

1213
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,280
away

1214
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:01,520
but before that so then he won't get the

1215
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,319
job

1216
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,720
and we caught we'd go from there well

1217
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,839
you know it's strange because i'm

1218
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,440
sitting here for the moment just writing

1219
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,119
down some names here quick

1220
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,319
all right of a gentleman that i know

1221
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,720
have narrated different programs on

1222
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,319
cryptozoology so you've got leonard

1223
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,400
nimoy who's passed away

1224
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:21,200
robert stack has passed away peter

1225
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:22,079
graves

1226
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,000
folks may know

1227
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,560
him from the show gilmore girls or some

1228
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,160
other projects but he actually did a lot

1229
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:32,160
of narrating for

1230
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:35,920
monster quest he's passed away in fact

1231
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:39,440
i know who stills alive stacy keach

1232
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,280
yep yes he has he did uh sasquatch

1233
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,480
legend mead science but uh you know

1234
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,960
think about that now four iconic voices

1235
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,160
that you know you think about their

1236
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,599
names you can hear their voices in your

1237
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:53,520
head that's how powerful

1238
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:57,040
those voices are and four of the five of

1239
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,160
those

1240
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,800
are now passed away yeah well you know

1241
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:02,800
also think about david attenborough he

1242
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,319
you know aleister mclean you know

1243
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,079
they they did mostly uh

1244
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,319
you know maybe social documentaries but

1245
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,920
they did a lot of uh

1246
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,000
nature documentaries and such of course

1247
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:17,760
david attenborough

1248
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,040
uh did a lot of the nature stuff and

1249
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:23,599
you know one of the most iconic voices

1250
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,400
as far as

1251
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:27,839
uh that goes and uh yeah i mean yeah it

1252
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,240
is

1253
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:30,960
and uh you know who's gonna pick the

1254
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,760
ball up and run with it i mean

1255
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,520
i don't know i don't know if you can

1256
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,359
really say they make documentaries like

1257
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:39,200
that anymore they do make documentaries

1258
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,920
of course they make

1259
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,640
monsters and mysteries and a few other

1260
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,440
shows but

1261
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,800
uh you know pbs still has some pretty

1262
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:47,920
good stuff and

1263
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,040
i do watch pbs a lot still do even

1264
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,480
though there's a lot of cable but i

1265
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,640
still watch pbs a lot

1266
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,560
well like i said let me get uh some

1267
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,560
chain smoking going on and some scotch

1268
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,240
in my system

1269
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,440
we'll see how i can go yeah let

1270
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:06,319
two and one folks you're listening to

1271
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:06,720
again

1272
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,480
arcane radio sean forker lon strickler

1273
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,720
uh and tonight's special guest we have

1274
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,839
joining us here

1275
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,560
via telephone via skype is mr dennis

1276
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,599
carroll

1277
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,760
uh lon you got a little bit there on

1278
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,119
dennis to pull out

1279
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,960
dennis is with yeah this is with the

1280
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,800
carolina society for

1281
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,440
paranormal research and investigation

1282
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,560
inc

1283
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:31,359
um they have one here that they're a

1284
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,000
non-profit

1285
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,319
corporation that uses scientific

1286
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,599
principles to perform every

1287
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,040
investigation

1288
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,640
we are also striving to further the

1289
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,560
field of paranormal investigation and

1290
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,839
research

1291
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,520
though all our investigations are

1292
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,520
performed with scientific protocol we

1293
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,280
hold the christian ideals

1294
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:50,400
and beliefs cspri inc

1295
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,720
was founded in february 29 2012

1296
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,960
and we have over a half a century of

1297
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:58,800
paranormal research and investigation

1298
00:46:03,349 --> 00:45:59,359
experience

1299
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,359
between all of our members now

1300
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,040
they're located in they've got two

1301
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,800
branch locations

1302
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,599
one in anderson county south carolina

1303
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,160
and the cerrone counties and charleston

1304
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,760
south carolina area and the surrounding

1305
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:14,800
counties

1306
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,079
um so i'd like to welcome dennis and uh

1307
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,880
welcome to the show thank you it's good

1308
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,960
to be on

1309
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,119
um like i said i'm fans of you guys i

1310
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,599
listen to your show a lot

1311
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,079
well we appreciate that dennis you're a

1312
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,520
demonologist

1313
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,960
what does a door what does a

1314
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,520
demonologist do

1315
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,240
well i'm usually a demonologist or what

1316
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,200
i do mainly i'm more or less sort of a

1317
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,560
demonology consultant i have

1318
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,319
consulted with people all over the world

1319
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,319
about their problems

1320
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,640
and uh a lot of the questions about

1321
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:52,000
demonology

1322
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:58,480
i've been in this field for 49 years and

1323
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,280
almost

1324
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,680
from the beginning immunology was a very

1325
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,599
uh interesting aspect of it

1326
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,760
uh you know the paranormal field has

1327
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:06,640
many

1328
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,319
uh smaller fields in it uh such as

1329
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,359
crypto

1330
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,079
uh zoology encrypted research or the

1331
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,000
old-fashioned anklets monster hunting

1332
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,520
i've done a lot of that

1333
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,160
uh i've done a lot of ghost research or

1334
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,000
ghost hunting as they call it

1335
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,119
uh demonology to me was a very

1336
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:27,119
fascinating aspect because

1337
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,960
at a very young age um

1338
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:33,440
my research into this my interest in

1339
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,160
this field

1340
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:37,440
uh took a a 180 degree angle turn

1341
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,280
when i actually saw

1342
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:44,079
demons i saw two demons exit a man

1343
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,960
during a

1344
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,760
church service and that got me

1345
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,440
interested in what uh

1346
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,599
what this was you know what it was all

1347
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:52,480
about

1348
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:55,920
i began to uh study to get deeper into

1349
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,720
the subject of demonology uh i read a

1350
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,680
lot of the uh

1351
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,079
former leaders that were there a lot of

1352
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,079
the ancient books and of course

1353
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,240
the bible that says a lot about it uh

1354
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:08,079
that's a good sort of a good textbook

1355
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,440
for it as well

1356
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:13,119
uh i i i went to many different avenues

1357
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,079
looking

1358
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:17,200
for the answers that i saw and uh

1359
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,880
for uh the would haunt me and you know

1360
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,359
um i've said this to a lot of people

1361
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:24,960
whenever you have your

1362
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,920
first paranormal experience uh the first

1363
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,280
thing that always comes to your mind

1364
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:30,880
you're not going to believe it

1365
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,839
that's the first thing he pops in the

1366
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:34,640
second

1367
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:38,720
probably for the rest of your life

1368
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:41,920
is what else is out there you know and

1369
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:45,520
to me that that is what really keeps my

1370
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,880
curiosity into it um and i began to

1371
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,480
study from my angle

1372
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,960
a lot of what was going on not just in

1373
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,079
ghost research but

1374
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,079
like i said of all the small fields of

1375
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:58,240
paranormal i love them all i don't want

1376
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,720
just

1377
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,800
one little piece of the pack i want to

1378
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,720
sample the whole

1379
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,359
thing uh to me that that is the

1380
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:07,119
interesting aspect of it all and i've

1381
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,400
had a lot of

1382
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:10,720
members that in my goodness i don't

1383
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,440
believe

1384
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,520
you got to you got to research it all

1385
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,040
that's what a true

1386
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,040
paranormal investigator does he

1387
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,640
investigates anything

1388
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,680
having to do with the paranormal uh as a

1389
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:24,480
matter of fact

1390
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,000
i had an interesting incident last fall

1391
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,200
with a doing um a cryptid research

1392
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,040
session out in the woods of oconee

1393
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,200
county which are not far from anderson

1394
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,319
south carolina where i'm at um

1395
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,760
and there have been a lot of sightings

1396
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,520
of bigfoot up there and

1397
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,040
uh i was out there one night with a

1398
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,119
knife scope and saw something to this

1399
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,119
day i can't really tell you what

1400
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,680
what it really was because unfortunately

1401
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:51,680
at that time i had the knife scope off

1402
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,079
you know

1403
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,359
experience of looking for a nightstand

1404
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:58,079
but you'll hurt your eyes after a while

1405
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,720
and so

1406
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,640
i had to turn off my kind of rest in my

1407
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:02,240
eye and i put it back up and when i did

1408
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,280
i saw

1409
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,119
something moved behind the tree i mean

1410
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:07,119
look on this forgiveness more or less

1411
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:07,920
like

1412
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,190
on a elbow with this thing and went

1413
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,880
behind the tree right now of course it

1414
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,000
could have been rocky the fire and

1415
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,839
squirrel too so i want to know

1416
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,160
because i've seen flying squirrels they

1417
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,640
do operate at night as well

1418
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:25,200
so i don't know what it really was i

1419
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,000
didn't really

1420
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:28,000
if i had just raised my scope about a

1421
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,200
second so

1422
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,240
sooner i got a better look at it but it

1423
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,680
just makes me want to see

1424
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,599
more of it makes me want to find out

1425
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,720
more about it

1426
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,200
uh to me that's the most interesting

1427
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,119
aspect of it all

1428
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,319
uh to me

1429
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:47,200
that is what paranormal investigation

1430
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,319
research is all about

1431
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,559
looking for those answers seeking the

1432
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,240
truth on these things

1433
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,960
uh it's what i saw was bigfoot i have to

1434
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,160
say this

1435
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,800
if uh it knew it i would have to say it

1436
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,720
almost disappeared supernaturally in

1437
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,319
front of me because i've hunted

1438
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,000
i've got a lot of money i've been in the

1439
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:05,920
area i've been

1440
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,950
i was looking further deeper into the

1441
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,400
woods fort to move down through there

1442
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,760
and there was no way it could have got

1443
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,559
away from me

1444
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,359
it could have gotten away that quick it

1445
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:21,520
was just like it was gone

1446
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,599
almost supernaturally like yeah

1447
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,280
i mean i i hear you know and you've read

1448
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:28,960
the blog and i i hear that

1449
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,839
a lot um you know they're one minutes

1450
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,200
and gone if you're hunting and you're

1451
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,200
having a squirrel [\h__\h] or whatever

1452
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:37,119
they just don't disappear but for

1453
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,960
whatever reason

1454
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,520
[Music]

1455
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,440
these bigfoot just have a tendency to

1456
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:42,880
just vanish

1457
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,520
and uh you know it is it's it you can't

1458
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,960
explain it

1459
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,280
yeah i would definitely want to see more

1460
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,880
of it well like you have with your

1461
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,760
experience

1462
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:54,079
right i would like to see all of it you

1463
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,200
know that would conclude

1464
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,440
in my mind for me you know i told this

1465
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,640
to a lot of people

1466
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,960
uh the skeptic will immediately call you

1467
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,880
a liar and i'm not that way i'm not a

1468
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,640
skeptic i know i try to

1469
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,040
uh approach it although the scientific

1470
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:09,200
slant but with an open mind

1471
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,640
right uh i don't think you know

1472
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,520
fast is benefitted by clotheslines

1473
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:16,800
definitely not

1474
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,640
and um uh people are seeing something

1475
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:23,839
you know um and that's why i say i get a

1476
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,480
lot of

1477
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,240
photographs sent to me can you tell me

1478
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,160
what this is what this is like

1479
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:30,480
and i say well i don't know i'd have to

1480
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:31,359
be there

1481
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:34,640
myself

1482
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:38,559
and that would conclude and uh

1483
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,000
you had experienced in a church

1484
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,119
or during a service two demons leaving

1485
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,680
an individual what uh what was the

1486
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:49,359
circumstances behind that

1487
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:53,280
and uh have you the ability to see other

1488
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,079
entities as

1489
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,440
well okay uh well

1490
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,240
uh in the incident with the demons i was

1491
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:01,920
about probably

1492
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,280
about 17 years old when that plays on

1493
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,640
because it was during church service i

1494
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,040
began to pray for this man up front

1495
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,240
at the church and uh i was just sitting

1496
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,920
there watching and i it's kind of hard

1497
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,000
to describe this but

1498
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:19,119
it was almost like two basketballs so i

1499
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,760
was

1500
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,160
dirty white like i said dirty white they

1501
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:23,599
were they were they want a glowing

1502
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:24,319
bright

1503
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,839
you know they were like dirty balls of

1504
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,000
life

1505
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,559
that came out of his hand one at a time

1506
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,680
there were two dollars

1507
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:33,680
and went through the wall disappeared

1508
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,720
and i'm sitting there

1509
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,800
like you know my jaw is on the floor

1510
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,720
looking at this and i'm saying

1511
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:41,440
did i see what i saw just now you know

1512
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,000
it took me

1513
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,599
a while for my mind to comprehend what i

1514
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,200
actually saw

1515
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,920
right uh you hear about these things but

1516
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,520
until you actually see it

1517
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,760
that's what you know puts the icing on

1518
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,640
your cake how to speak you know uh

1519
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,760
to me that made me say what was that

1520
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,599
and what is this and what's going on

1521
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,040
here and i want to know more

1522
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:05,680
definitely i want to know what this is

1523
00:54:08,839 --> 00:54:16,870
well something's going on

1524
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:22,829
really yes

1525
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:24,470
dennis

1526
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,950
oh christmas lawn i knew it was too good

1527
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,799
to be true

1528
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:39,680
okay so we're talking about the church

1529
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:40,319
yeah

1530
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,040
uh those uh two lights like come out of

1531
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:49,280
this man they were like

1532
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:53,280
uh dirty balls of black about basketball

1533
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,000
size

1534
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,079
and they like came out one after the

1535
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,760
other out of this man went through the

1536
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,200
wall like i said

1537
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,240
i was sitting there my my jaw was on the

1538
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,839
floor

1539
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:05,760
and uh i just couldn't believe what i

1540
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,079
saw i mean it took a long time for my

1541
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,720
mind to comprehend what i saw

1542
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:13,680
um but that just again i kind of journey

1543
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,079
into

1544
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:16,000
them and i was letting you wonder what

1545
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,359
this was

1546
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,400
why it you know had it

1547
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,440
had these kind of properties to it um

1548
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,760
i had a lot of questions for which i had

1549
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:28,160
no answers and i began to search

1550
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,400
in a lot of ancient books like uh the

1551
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,160
uh the books and the bible records this

1552
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,640
is sort of a textbook

1553
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,440
in a way uh it does talk a lot about

1554
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,040
beings or these negative

1555
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,559
energies as some people call them um

1556
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,640
there was a question that concerning me

1557
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,599
back in my

1558
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:52,559
in my beginning the beginning days of my

1559
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,280
uh

1560
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,119
career in the paranormal and that was

1561
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,720
this uh

1562
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,359
cultures a world apart from each other

1563
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,079
why do they have the same things

1564
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,240
uh in almost every culture you found

1565
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:06,799
shape shifters you found vampires

1566
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,839
you found ghosts witches monsters

1567
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:12,240
what was going on here you know and the

1568
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:12,960
only

1569
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,960
reasonable explanation i could come up

1570
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,960
somebody somewhere must have seen

1571
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,160
something like this

1572
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,200
you know uh for this to be for this to

1573
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:25,599
become almost like a racial memory

1574
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,799
in many cultures uh what's going on here

1575
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,559
like the dragon is found in every

1576
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,319
culture on this worldwide what's going

1577
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,799
on with that and yet science tells us

1578
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,119
that no men were living in the in the

1579
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,880
days of dinosaurs

1580
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:41,359
i don't know about that because it's

1581
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,000
just too

1582
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:46,240
prevalent for it to be just imagination

1583
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,839
you know but uh there were questions

1584
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,440
like that begin to haunt me the more i

1585
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:52,880
looked into it the more

1586
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,839
questions they raised and somebody uh

1587
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,880
for me

1588
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,520
uh it was just like quicksand the deeper

1589
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:00,880
i got into it and

1590
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,160
the deeper it got and uh it still is

1591
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,640
that way 40 years later

1592
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,280
uh it still fascinates me it hasn't

1593
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:12,480
gotten old it never does

1594
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,680
yeah but now as for beings uh after that

1595
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,680
incident later on when i got deeper into

1596
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,599
demonology i actually

1597
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,160
have seen demons several times since

1598
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,920
then and they have manifested in

1599
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,359
different forms

1600
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,520
i've even been on several occasions

1601
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:29,680
attacked by these things

1602
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:32,720
uh i think and just recently in the last

1603
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,440
time i ran

1604
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:36,000
into one i found out something about it

1605
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,040
that i never knew

1606
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,440
and read anywhere and that was the fact

1607
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:41,280
that these things came to a certain

1608
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:42,160
point i believe

1609
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,040
read your mind they can use images they

1610
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,960
can turn your mind against you in some

1611
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,920
ways

1612
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,319
uh i think the images that are just

1613
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,400
floating on the surface of your

1614
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,799
conscious mind i believe they can use

1615
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,640
these we read these things

1616
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,680
and uh i found that out firsthand

1617
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,240
uh the last time i actually ran into one

1618
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,240
of these things actually i was in a room

1619
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,480
with this thing manifested itself as a

1620
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,680
shadow form

1621
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,000
that was probably it was a it was a

1622
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:11,920
shadow darker than the darkness around

1623
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:12,720
it

1624
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:16,480
eight

1625
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,799
like it was pulling in darkness to it

1626
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:25,200
and uh and then that's when i saw very

1627
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,480
faint two red

1628
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,760
eyes in this darkness and this thing

1629
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:31,839
began to advance toward me and actually

1630
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,319
my

1631
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,160
colleague brandon hudgins he was in the

1632
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,559
room too he was attacked by it

1633
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,200
emotionally it attacked me physically it

1634
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:40,799
was almost

1635
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,839
as if i was having a heart attack i was

1636
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:45,839
something like that yeah the same again

1637
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,720
the energy i would begin to go up my leg

1638
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,799
and up towards my chest it was almost i

1639
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,200
began to get short of breath almost

1640
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,240
and it was uh it was almost like it was

1641
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,799
you know uh with the signs of a free

1642
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:00,559
heart attack type thing

1643
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,839
um finding how he buked this thing and

1644
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,599
got it off of me

1645
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,400
uh only then i began to feel better you

1646
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,280
know

1647
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,839
but uh it took several days for brandon

1648
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,559
to get over

1649
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,599
his attack because emotionally

1650
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,440
it really did the job on him unless

1651
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,040
these things will attack you

1652
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,680
basically in four different ways uh

1653
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,559
spiritually

1654
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,760
mentally physically and emotionally uh

1655
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,680
those are the four things that really

1656
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,280
make us who we are

1657
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:32,160
in many aspects and i got this too i

1658
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,200
also mentioned this

1659
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,599
psychic people people who have psychic

1660
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,440
abilities to be careful because these

1661
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,520
negative energies can attack you

1662
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,400
psychically as well uh i don't know if

1663
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:44,480
my lion's ever had that problem

1664
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,480
well i've had psychic attacks

1665
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,280
during uh well rvs but i i've had

1666
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,200
psychic attacks during

1667
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,400
sessions with clients oh yeah that's uh

1668
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,760
and i mean some of them have been

1669
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:00,559
physical as well

1670
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:08,390
i really know what you're doing yeah you

1671
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,520
gotta really uh

1672
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
you gotta really be aware of it i agree

1673
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,200
with that and i tell anybody

1674
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:15,200
you know protect yourself absolutely

1675
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,559
protect yourself before you get into

1676
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,680
this type of thing

1677
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:19,760
because uh you never know what's going

1678
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,470
and you know these things can sometimes

1679
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:26,240
even attach to you if you're not careful

1680
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,390
with people who have actually these uh

1681
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,319
negative energy type attachments

1682
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,079
to them and they really make life

1683
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:43,760
terrible for these people

1684
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,880
uh these things these things

1685
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,559
and i think i know ryan knows what i'm

1686
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,599
about to say these things are

1687
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:51,599
opportunists they take that opportunity

1688
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,240
and

1689
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,680
if they get that opportunity they'll

1690
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:55,280
definitely take it

1691
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:58,400
uh i've seen that i've seen that happen

1692
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,559
many times and these things can manifest

1693
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,480
themselves in different ways

1694
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,760
uh so you never know how they're gonna

1695
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:08,160
come at you but likewise you can protect

1696
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,910
or exactly what it is that gives you a

1697
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:24,880
leg up on it

1698
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:33,349
what do you use for deliverance or i

1699
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,640
don't know if you call it deliverance or

1700
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:35,839
exorcism what do you

1701
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:39,599
use what kind of uh ritual do you use

1702
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,640
well actually uh i do a lot of judeo

1703
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,920
christian i have done

1704
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,079
a lot where there's a certain thing you

1705
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,480
can do for people who are pagans

1706
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:52,000
uh and then there are for my father i've

1707
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:52,720
even helped

1708
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,839
hindu people who are hindu uh

1709
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,520
but it's just whatever they're

1710
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,280
comfortable with

1711
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,880
you know is what's going to help them

1712
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:02,000
you know what i'm saying whatever

1713
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:03,200
they're

1714
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,640
is what empowers them just any sense

1715
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:13,039
yeah to form that bumper around and

1716
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,319
perform that

1717
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,799
that uh that light you might want to say

1718
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,559
psychic lightning

1719
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:21,839
but uh can be a bumper or

1720
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,039
armor as the old saying used to be armor

1721
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:28,079
um it just depends on who the individual

1722
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:29,520
is and what the case is

1723
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:33,039
uh i don't actually do exorcisms

1724
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,799
uh now mainly i mainly do

1725
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:39,599
what we call location exorcisms or

1726
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,400
cleansings

1727
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,960
that's what i basically thought but now

1728
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,799
if it does run into

1729
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:47,200
something like an actual demonic

1730
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,400
possession

1731
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:51,280
uh then i think it's time for the real

1732
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,559
experts in that

1733
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,200
to take over uh because you know there's

1734
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,960
so many different ramifications in that

1735
01:03:05,750 --> 01:02:58,079
it could be

1736
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,760
something besides that but uh here's one

1737
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:07,200
thing you have to think about

1738
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,240
these negative energies are drawn to

1739
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,359
pain and suffering they are grown to

1740
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:15,359
normal

1741
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,400
of english and no suffering just like

1742
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:19,680
any kind of money

1743
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,920
they're drawn to that so you never know

1744
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:23,839
what it is you're really dealing with

1745
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:26,079
you got to be very careful you got to

1746
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,520
really understand what it is you're

1747
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:31,200
dealing with before you can call it for

1748
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,960
what you know you think it is it's like

1749
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:34,799
a doctor diagnosing someone

1750
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:37,359
in a way you know and there are signs

1751
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,160
there uh

1752
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,720
in the first book i wrote that my

1753
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:42,720
partner and i wrote it was called uh

1754
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,680
beyond the shadows i put a whole list in

1755
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,640
there of

1756
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,559
the signs of the demonic or evil

1757
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:50,640
negative whatever

1758
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,400
you want to give them um a long list

1759
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:56,000
and i've had a lot of people calling

1760
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,599
this girl i got three of these on this

1761
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,109
oh no no that doesn't these are just

1762
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,880
indicators it doesn't actually mean

1763
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:06,400
that's what's going on but it's just

1764
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,119
like

1765
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:09,280
you know if you sample the smoke you

1766
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:12,400
know where it's coming from to be

1767
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,280
something

1768
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,680
going on there and so this is a lot of

1769
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:17,119
smoke then you know there's a fire

1770
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,079
somewhere

1771
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,520
uh so these are just indicators for

1772
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:23,359
people to understand

1773
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,799
but now we have in this last book of the

1774
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:28,160
roman scene

1775
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,160
we have a hypothesis and they have what

1776
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:31,839
we call actually

1777
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,960
laden position now you have uh

1778
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,520
you have the ironic influence and then

1779
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,760
you have the ammonic oppression

1780
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,160
and then demonic possession we believe

1781
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:44,160
there may be a third

1782
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:48,240
a third level in there that is basically

1783
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,599
leading to this in other words you're

1784
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:51,440
possessed and you don't exhibit very

1785
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:52,319
many signs

1786
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,160
and you don't even know it it's nothing

1787
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,319
it's nothing like landing by an exorcism

1788
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,640
there's no heat going around there's no

1789
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,520
piece of being fit up it's a very very

1790
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:03,760
very subtle type of position

1791
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,119
and we think this may be what you see in

1792
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,599
the headlines of today a lot with these

1793
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:12,160
shootings and tragic things that you're

1794
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,039
learning schools

1795
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:16,079
that could be a lot of that could be

1796
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,520
actually in possession you never know uh

1797
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,440
we think that's out there too i don't

1798
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,280
know how prevalent it is

1799
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,119
nobody's ever done a study on it this is

1800
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,640
just our theory that we

1801
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,880
come up with to explain a lot of things

1802
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,880
because a lot of times these people

1803
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:32,400
after they've done these horrendous

1804
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,680
things

1805
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,280
they come back and say what did i do

1806
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:37,280
that for you know

1807
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,480
they're they're like what happened to me

1808
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,319
it wasn't me that was driving a car

1809
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:43,680
anymore you know

1810
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:47,200
i wouldn't know how many wheels so uh

1811
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,720
there's got to be an explanation for

1812
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:50,319
some of this it doesn't it doesn't have

1813
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,839
to be a well we can't paint it with a

1814
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:52,720
broad brush

1815
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:56,160
but i think there are certain instances

1816
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,440
where this may occur and how prevalent

1817
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,039
it is i really don't know

1818
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:04,000
but i think it's out there had mentioned

1819
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:04,559
that

1820
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:07,599
yeah you had mentioned in your bio to me

1821
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:10,880
that you you consulted on

1822
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:14,480
um an incident that was on

1823
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:18,640
a show on uh on destination america

1824
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:22,240
can you can you tell us about that

1825
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:25,280
uh the the right i'm sorry i didn't

1826
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,480
quite get that one okay you mentioned

1827
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:30,240
you you had mentioned me that

1828
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,559
you were uh you consulted on a case

1829
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,359
that's going to be covered on one of the

1830
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,119
one of the shows on

1831
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,240
destination america uh can you

1832
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:44,640
can you tell us a little bit about that

1833
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:45,440
oh

1834
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:48,720
yeah yeah that's the uh ghost asylum

1835
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,839
yeah um so and um they are

1836
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:53,920
actually i think called the tennessee

1837
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,520
race chasers

1838
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,680
uh the other show is on the destination

1839
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,359
channel they actually called me in a

1840
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,640
couple of weeks ago

1841
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,119
they had an incident where uh one of the

1842
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,799
members was sort of

1843
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:06,880
taken over by what i could turn as a

1844
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,039
sort of spirit of anger

1845
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:11,200
uh and it was in a uh it was i think in

1846
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,720
a uh a

1847
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:15,200
deserted normal institute where they

1848
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,400
took place

1849
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,880
um they wanted to know what they could

1850
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:21,440
do to protect themselves a little more

1851
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,039
and so i kind of advise them on that um

1852
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:27,280
and like i you know said previously

1853
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,160
these uh

1854
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,920
these places seem to be uh a hotbed for

1855
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,839
these negative energies these evil type

1856
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:36,000
spirits they seem to be drawn to these

1857
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:36,799
places where

1858
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,920
they like battlefields or or uh or

1859
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:41,599
hospitals and all that they've known a

1860
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,160
lot of

1861
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,640
trauma and anguish and suffering and

1862
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,319
mental instability

1863
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,640
these things seem to haunt these areas

1864
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,559
more than other places

1865
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:52,640
uh that's what i want them and that's

1866
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,839
their specialty by the way they like to

1867
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,480
investigate

1868
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,559
old hospitals and mental institutions

1869
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,000
and asylums

1870
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,400
and uh i warned them you know be careful

1871
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,599
because

1872
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,000
you can basically run into this is a

1873
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,680
little bit more pervasive than in other

1874
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,680
places

1875
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,599
so you need to really go in and protect

1876
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,960
yourselves uh

1877
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,799
we were a nice bunch of guys and we

1878
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,159
really had a good rapport

1879
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:19,120
and uh i think it's gonna be coming up

1880
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,239
on their next season

1881
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:23,040
when that's gonna show uh return on that

1882
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,400
but it was a very uh

1883
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:27,440
it was a uh a very enjoyable

1884
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,679
uh experience for me to be able to

1885
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,080
advise these people on that because

1886
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,600
they uh are really uh

1887
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,199
messing around something that you really

1888
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,829
how did you advise them to protect

1889
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:43,359
themselves

1890
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,560
different ways uh

1891
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:48,719
and since they were rather religious

1892
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:52,319
more christian religious people that the

1893
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,279
best thing to do

1894
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,120
if you're going into these places

1895
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,120
perhaps wear a blessed cross

1896
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,359
uh say a prayer before you go in a

1897
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,040
prayer protection

1898
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,880
uh i gave them one of my favorites

1899
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,040
that's wrong in 1312

1900
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:07,600
uh the night is far spent the day is at

1901
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,319
hand

1902
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,480
brothers therefore cast off the works of

1903
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,719
darkness and let us put on

1904
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:15,040
the armor of light i like that one

1905
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:15,839
that's a very

1906
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,960
that's very good uh description and i

1907
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,319
said what you've got to do

1908
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:22,239
since you know they believe in god and

1909
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,359
and they believe in

1910
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,159
faith is that they have to enhance that

1911
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,520
and with their belief

1912
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,400
come deep down inside and support that

1913
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,920
honor that they can put on that

1914
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:33,440
spiritual honor

1915
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,920
to protect themselves i also advise them

1916
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:38,239
to carry holy water perhaps in there

1917
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,279
with them

1918
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,679
just a few of these things and i tell

1919
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,359
them you can't put your faith in the

1920
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:44,480
things

1921
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,839
it's the symbol that they stand for

1922
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,319
that's where your real faith goes in uh

1923
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,319
what the example is just a way for them

1924
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,320
to focus their faith

1925
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,719
and when you focus your faith whatever

1926
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,080
it is you believe

1927
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:00,800
uh that enhances and makes you somewhat

1928
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:04,159
stronger psychically and spiritually

1929
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:07,840
uh in order to face these things a lot

1930
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,640
of times

1931
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,040
in my group when we go in to investigate

1932
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:13,120
areas we think that have these negative

1933
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,080
energies

1934
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,400
we will say for our protection going in

1935
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,239
and also will come out

1936
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,920
so that we don't get any attachments we

1937
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,600
don't ever want to bring home

1938
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,840
homeless you know from these places we

1939
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,000
don't want anything to follow us back

1940
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,400
right uh so you've got to keep that in

1941
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:30,480
mind because it is an occupational

1942
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:31,600
hazard when you do

1943
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,960
paranormal investigation uh

1944
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,239
you've got to buy that in mind that

1945
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:38,640
that's a risk that you run

1946
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,159
now um also in in this book what we've

1947
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,640
got out here that's to the little team

1948
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:47,120
we uh we also talk about high strangers

1949
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,719
which is another favorite subject of

1950
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,679
mine

1951
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:52,320
um high strength i've actually been

1952
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:54,000
touched with it matter of fact

1953
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:55,840
i feel like for a while that i was doing

1954
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,640
the mothman prophecies i felt like john

1955
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,920
keel there for a while

1956
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,400
because i had a very dramatic ufo

1957
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,080
sighting

1958
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:07,360
um yeah about about six or seven years

1959
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:08,480
ago

1960
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:11,199
uh i was uptown it was in the autumn it

1961
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,760
was uh

1962
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:13,520
late in the day it was almost almost

1963
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,760
dark i hadn't been walking a little

1964
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,360
route that i walked up there you know

1965
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,880
for exercise

1966
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,800
and i come back to my car was standing

1967
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,080
there kind of cooling off

1968
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,679
i was right there on the sidewalk this

1969
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,360
is uptown now so

1970
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:28,000
with some midsize sound here in anderson

1971
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,719
and uh

1972
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:30,800
i was saying this is cooling off i was

1973
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,560
not even thinking about anything like

1974
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,520
this

1975
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,520
and like i say i've been interested in

1976
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,440
the parallel all these years

1977
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:40,000
and my attitude towards ufos and people

1978
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:41,280
that saw them i said well people would

1979
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,400
have seen something

1980
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,080
but i thought most of the time it was

1981
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,320
something that could be explained

1982
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:48,880
uh i knew there was a percentage of

1983
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:51,679
stuff that was unexplainable i knew that

1984
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,920
but until then i've never seen anything

1985
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,360
like this

1986
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,679
but what i saw that day blew me away it

1987
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:59,600
was even more dramatic to me than the

1988
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,120
demons that i thought

1989
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,239
and uh i have been privileged to see

1990
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,920
some paranormal things that some people

1991
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:08,719
go their whole lives and never see

1992
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,520
but um i don't know why but that's i

1993
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,960
just happened to be in around places

1994
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,880
where i came that's all i can say

1995
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,640
i'm nobody special that way i'm not

1996
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,239
psychic um

1997
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:21,120
if i have psychic abilities i don't know

1998
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,520
but

1999
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,239
um i never explored that part of myself

2000
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,400
but i think i think psychic abilities

2001
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,679
like are like talents

2002
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:30,080
by the way everybody's got some kind of

2003
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:31,440
gift some kind of talent

2004
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,640
you know um but anyway i was saying very

2005
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,640
cool just kind of looking up to the sky

2006
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:38,800
i wasn't even thinking about anything

2007
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:41,199
and uh the clouds were very little

2008
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,480
hanging that day and that's why i was

2009
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,760
kind of waking up because you know

2010
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,080
low-hanging clouds rain on me

2011
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,840
and i've been watching them all during

2012
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,360
my walk

2013
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:51,199
and i had walked about an hour and i was

2014
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,560
just standing through and i'm looking up

2015
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,239
at these low-hanging moms

2016
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:57,600
and i see through the clouds and the

2017
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,000
shape

2018
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,480
coming coming from the horizon directly

2019
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,920
towards me

2020
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,480
it is uh back then it wasn't pronounced

2021
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:05,840
sort of a classic

2022
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,360
triangular ufo that's what it was it was

2023
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,400
uh black it had no lights on

2024
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,560
it there were no running lights of any

2025
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,480
kind it was it was black but it was sort

2026
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,199
of a double black he wasn't shiny

2027
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,760
and he had like a platform hanging under

2028
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:22,480
it

2029
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,920
like um i thought i drew a sketch for

2030
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:27,280
this thing

2031
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,920
it was huge i mean football size huge

2032
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,920
and i could see it partially in and out

2033
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,280
of the clouds

2034
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,600
that was low hanging it went directly

2035
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,120
over my head

2036
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:41,520
at a very fast speed and i would have to

2037
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,320
say

2038
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,480
estimating it as fast as it was moving

2039
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:46,800
it had to be doing in excess of three

2040
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,920
at least 300 miles an hour and this

2041
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:50,880
thing was going over

2042
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,840
and it was absolutely eerily silent

2043
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,840
and like i said that was a jaw-dropping

2044
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:59,360
moment i was just standing and here's

2045
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,800
what i got i mean he had a [\h__\h] i have a

2046
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,400
phone with a camera in my pocket

2047
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,800
and never once so i think that i was

2048
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,320
trying to take a picture of this thing i

2049
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:08,719
was just flabbergasted by this

2050
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,679
um i went back i remember going back and

2051
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,360
telling my uncle about it

2052
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:16,400
you could see how shaken up i was and he

2053
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,679
said well i don't know what you thought

2054
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,040
i heard you must have experienced

2055
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,640
something you know

2056
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,400
i told my brother who immediately didn't

2057
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,920
believe me

2058
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,440
but that's the first thing that always

2059
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:27,040
comes in your mind nobody's gonna

2060
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,080
believe this

2061
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,719
all right you know right but what what

2062
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:32,560
the impression of it he gave me

2063
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,840
and uh to this day i have it was very

2064
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:38,000
military looking

2065
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,159
but his military i don't know i don't i

2066
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,719
just don't see how we

2067
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:44,560
as human beings have that kind of

2068
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,630
this is this is something that

2069
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:52,560
fascinates me as well

2070
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:56,719
uh these these triangular

2071
01:15:01,030 --> 01:15:00,480
ufos and they normally have some size to

2072
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:01,040
them

2073
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:04,560
uh are seen they're seen nationwide

2074
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,679
and i mean now i don't know if there's

2075
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,640
some type of disinformation where

2076
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,320
they're trying to get people to actually

2077
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,679
believe these are government

2078
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,800
somehow or or you know i don't know

2079
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:19,199
but you know the explanation i keep

2080
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,080
getting from

2081
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,960
and for people i know that are well

2082
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:24,880
versed in ufos

2083
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:28,239
that they believe that most of it is um

2084
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,760
are test vehicles or sometimes to do

2085
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:32,640
with the government

2086
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:35,600
and that very well may be true but if it

2087
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,000
is

2088
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,920
then there's a technology they're using

2089
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,159
that we know nothing about

2090
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,480
exactly right i agree with that and this

2091
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,239
was like i said i have seen

2092
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,800
everything that man that i know a man

2093
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,000
has ever made to fly

2094
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:50,239
and this was something completely

2095
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:52,719
different and to be so i mean it raises

2096
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,159
hairs on my neck it was so eerily solid

2097
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,560
and it was so swift and gone so quick it

2098
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,600
was just something

2099
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:01,679
and it caught me i mean it blindsided me

2100
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:03,440
you know you're not expecting anything

2101
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,560
like that

2102
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,120
and it just you know i can say it just

2103
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:09,120
bit my mind out of shape i'm thinking

2104
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,320
what you know what else is out there

2105
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,640
you know this is here this is not

2106
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:16,239
telling what else is going on in this

2107
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,199
world

2108
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,239
and uh to me uh this is another

2109
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,480
section of the paranormal house rankings

2110
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,120
and by the way i define how it's racist

2111
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,600
as there's weird and then there's really

2112
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:30,080
really weird math

2113
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,199
uh for me and this thing here's

2114
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,800
here's here's what really happened

2115
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:36,719
really was sort of the icing on the cake

2116
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,280
in this

2117
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,840
situation after this happened i made it

2118
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,440
matter of fact i sent him

2119
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,280
a report to mufon that never got

2120
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,719
anything back i don't know if he got

2121
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,400
term or not but i sent him a report

2122
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,080
about it unfortunately

2123
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,360
that happens a lot yeah and then i

2124
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:53,840
i wasn't told a few people on the phone

2125
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,120
i even told the people

2126
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:57,199
here's what really the reason i wrote

2127
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,630
i began to see a government car buzzing

2128
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:04,800
my house a black

2129
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:08,080
black unmarked van actually uh and it

2130
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:10,000
had government place i mean you can tell

2131
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:10,400
them

2132
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,080
[\h__\h] looks like uh it began to buzz

2133
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,239
my house on a regular basis

2134
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,360
i began to get weird phone calls night

2135
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:21,199
and day which is with like

2136
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,159
weird metallic sound and then like

2137
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,239
almost like robotic

2138
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,880
and also i began to get calls that were

2139
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,480
like howling but

2140
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,239
talking about demonic they sounded

2141
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:33,679
better than mine

2142
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,840
it was like a howling wind on it or

2143
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,719
something

2144
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:39,199
uh i wish i had recorded some of these

2145
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,840
actually and

2146
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,520
and one there was one instance that's

2147
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,480
really got me where it was like a global

2148
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,040
radio transmission that actually came in

2149
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,440
over my answering machine at that time

2150
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:51,199
i never ever known that that happened

2151
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:52,800
that was weird

2152
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,239
and um and then i have a dog

2153
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:59,040
and he barks at a certain way i know

2154
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,480
somebody's outside

2155
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,000
you know it's not usually a cat or

2156
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:04,159
another dog out there and one night he

2157
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:05,440
woke me up doing that

2158
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,760
and i found signs that someone had been

2159
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,520
in my yard

2160
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,679
now for a reason i don't know moving

2161
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:13,199
around all this i wrote about in the

2162
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:14,000
book

2163
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,600
uh these things began to sort of help me

2164
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:20,159
this weird stuff so what's going on here

2165
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:20,719
you know

2166
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,880
it's just me i'm not that important why

2167
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,199
they checking on me and also

2168
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:28,000
listen to this they began the government

2169
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,679
car began to follow my partner brandon

2170
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,000
uh my colleague brandon hudson's who uh

2171
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,480
also i had talked a lot about this

2172
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:39,120
they began to shut down especially after

2173
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:41,280
we began writing this live book

2174
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,480
um they came back again

2175
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:47,040
now it was in my house and he saw him as

2176
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,600
well

2177
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,199
so what's going on here why are we so

2178
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:51,679
important to someone that's watching us

2179
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,159
well you know this is a story i hear

2180
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,080
countless times and

2181
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,560
unfortunately it's happened to me twice

2182
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:00,480
and uh

2183
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,800
uh for for the most mundane things

2184
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,800
even if it is a ufo or something

2185
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,320
somebody just sees a light in the sky

2186
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,920
for whatever reason

2187
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:12,159
some of these reports or some of these

2188
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:13,679
sightings

2189
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,320
do spark something where they either

2190
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,320
have somebody come to your police

2191
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,640
and want to be talking to you or they're

2192
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,080
following you around or they're

2193
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:24,320
monitoring the phones or whatever

2194
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:27,199
uh you know i hear this all the time you

2195
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:27,600
know

2196
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:34,800
and uh now that they've done a return

2197
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:38,080
it's not a van anymore it's a black suv

2198
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,920
um so you know i'm saying almost like

2199
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:44,800
i'm beginning to live with prophecy to a

2200
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,679
certain extent

2201
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:48,000
i don't understand why i killed it but

2202
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:48,960
here's what i'll say

2203
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,800
the only only thing left is for the men

2204
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:52,960
in black and i'd like to issue an

2205
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:54,560
invitation to him right now if you're

2206
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:55,440
listening

2207
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,280
come see me let's talk

2208
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,400
i'll be waiting yeah just yeah just 10

2209
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:04,320
don't come here

2210
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:07,520
um what now you talk about you also do a

2211
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,920
lot of

2212
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,840
cryptic investigation or you start a

2213
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,360
group to invest

2214
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:12,960
other than bigfoot is there something

2215
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:16,000
else that you've been interested in

2216
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,159
uh well i could say i've been interested

2217
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,159
in pictures who are olivia a lot

2218
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:23,120
they are uh i also like the uh earth

2219
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:25,040
live anomalies you know like the martha

2220
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:26,080
lights

2221
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:27,600
the brown mountain light this is not

2222
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:29,360
very far from about about a two hour

2223
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,159
drive from my

2224
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:33,360
house uh that's interesting to me uh i

2225
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,679
love

2226
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,520
every aspect of paranormal you can't

2227
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,960
come up with one i don't like and i

2228
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:38,560
haven't investigated

2229
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:42,239
uh i love it all to me it's a

2230
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,320
it's an all-consuming passion for me um

2231
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:48,800
the uh the what's going on in this world

2232
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,679
and um

2233
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:51,760
that's why well if you wouldn't mind

2234
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,800
i'll read you a little

2235
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:54,960
uh excerpt from my book right quick here

2236
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:57,840
and this is the way i look at it here

2237
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,400
they seem to be elements in this world

2238
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:02,159
that have no rhyme or reason

2239
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,120
in the execution of their actions they

2240
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,199
hide always behind the veil of the

2241
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:09,120
unknown and play their little games with

2242
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:09,920
us

2243
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,280
all the while laughing at our

2244
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:13,840
bafflements with sly grins as they twist

2245
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:14,400
us

2246
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,440
first one way then another feeding off

2247
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,520
of our doubts and fears

2248
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,920
always knowing how near impossible it is

2249
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:24,480
for us to pin them down

2250
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,560
all these things are awares of mask

2251
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:30,560
they are not really what they may appear

2252
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:33,280
to be but it is the thing behind the

2253
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,159
mask

2254
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,639
that we as paranormal researchers are

2255
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,040
truthfully concerned

2256
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,920
so what is behind our mask what's going

2257
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:43,600
on with all this stuff to me that's the

2258
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:44,960
big question

2259
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,880
what is the one thing that i can find

2260
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,239
one day before i

2261
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:50,560
become part of the paranormal myself

2262
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,920
well

2263
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,840
and people answer a lot of this you know

2264
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,120
what i'm saying

2265
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:57,280
don't you think they're not this is

2266
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,239
something i think

2267
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,199
may may be actually what's going on

2268
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:02,560
don't you think all

2269
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:05,120
this uh these anomalies and uh

2270
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:06,560
paranormal activity

2271
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,840
may have a connection all together

2272
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:10,560
somehow

2273
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:13,840
no i think so you know

2274
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,719
you you look at the big the bigfoot

2275
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,639
sightings you have ufo sightings

2276
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,560
simultaneously with those

2277
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:23,040
uh people who have seen the photos now

2278
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,000
this didn't happen to me

2279
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,400
but some people who have seen ufos have

2280
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:28,400
poltergeist activity in their houses

2281
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:28,800
yeah

2282
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,199
what's going on here i mean uh and i

2283
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:32,800
kind of aside

2284
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:36,400
back when i began my career i studied uh

2285
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:41,520
i studied uh henry price i said he'd uh

2286
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:44,800
it on anyone i said he met with

2287
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,320
uh uh hans holster with johnny

2288
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,639
field all these people and john keel i

2289
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:52,480
think came very close to a lot of

2290
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:53,679
answers

2291
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:56,320
uh in his in his perspective on it and

2292
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:57,040
he

2293
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:01,040
is

2294
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:04,400
even demonology stuff you know uh um

2295
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,159
that makes me wonder about that too i

2296
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:08,320
wanna i wanna look deeper into that

2297
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:09,040
aspect

2298
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:12,239
could that possibly be uh an answer for

2299
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,840
some of this like i said you can't paint

2300
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:15,840
it all with the same brush

2301
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:18,400
but there is common denominator

2302
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,280
somewhere

2303
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,760
you know yeah i agree there i agree

2304
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,960
there uh

2305
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,400
yeah there's just too many many

2306
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:26,800
instances where multiple

2307
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:30,480
uh multiple paranormal or

2308
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:34,560
uh anomalies take place and uh

2309
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:36,320
you know and it's it it's interesting

2310
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:37,600
because there just seems to be certain

2311
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,320
hot spots

2312
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,800
you know just like where you're from now

2313
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,960
the ufo activity

2314
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:45,679
in in coastal carolina coastal south

2315
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:46,480
carolina

2316
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:49,520
has really been phenomenal for the last

2317
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,560
couple years

2318
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,320
uh especially in the air emergency beach

2319
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,639
in that area there's been a lot of weird

2320
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:55,920
things

2321
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,880
and a little bit of an inlet as well and

2322
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,719
here's another thing where i live in

2323
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:02,480
anderson which is right on the border

2324
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:02,880
almost

2325
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,080
of georgia and south carolina um one of

2326
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,480
the latest lines runs almost in the

2327
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,320
smack middle of this county

2328
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,639
and i began to wonder why isn't that

2329
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:14,159
some of the weird stuff that's going on

2330
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:15,120
here that couldn't be another

2331
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:16,239
explanation

2332
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,000
uh you know you know the theory about

2333
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,000
ley lines yeah and uh

2334
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:22,400
where they cross and intersect uh i'm

2335
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:23,440
gonna wonder if there's

2336
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,330
not something to that uh

2337
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,639
[Music]

2338
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,639
like you say and here's what i teach a

2339
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,400
lot of my people in my group

2340
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:32,719
you know you gotta look for the patterns

2341
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:34,800
you know it's funny

2342
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:37,199
yeah they tell you something it's funny

2343
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:38,800
dennis that you talk about ley lines

2344
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,360
because one of my old research partners

2345
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:44,400
ernie delp used to really he firmly

2346
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,280
believed

2347
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,520
that there was a correlation between an

2348
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,840
increase in paranormal activities

2349
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:52,080
and and ley lines you know the natural

2350
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,159
formations of this earth and high

2351
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:56,000
deposits of quartz and those sort of

2352
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,719
things

2353
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:58,719
that are really kind of a maybe a

2354
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,840
catalyst or a

2355
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:02,000
you know a natural storage device for

2356
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,480
some of this paranormal

2357
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:07,280
energy for lack of a better term i i

2358
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:07,840
think so

2359
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,440
kind of something like it's like a

2360
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,639
magnet

2361
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:15,840
it seems to draw

2362
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,360
paranormal activity like to it to me

2363
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,520
i agree with that uh to a certain extent

2364
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:23,280
i think there is something there with

2365
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,080
that

2366
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,719
and as the electromagnetic properties of

2367
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:28,800
the world surround us

2368
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,960
uh there's a tie in there with that as

2369
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,000
well

2370
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,199
and there have been theories that uh

2371
01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:36,719
when the earth was young

2372
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,239
it was covered with a much denser

2373
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:40,400
electromagnetic

2374
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:44,080
field that is why things live longer

2375
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:48,560
and were stronger in their content

2376
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,000
they existed in a better

2377
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,880
type of world that was different than it

2378
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,719
is now

2379
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:59,280
because of electromagnetism there's

2380
01:26:01,189 --> 01:26:00,880
there's some properties there that i

2381
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,199
think

2382
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:04,000
science seems to ignore electromagnetism

2383
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,960
for some reason

2384
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,199
to a certain extent i don't know why

2385
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:08,960
because there seems to be some answers

2386
01:26:13,629 --> 01:26:10,000
there with that maybe

2387
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,639
you know i think the uh i think

2388
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:15,440
electromagnetic

2389
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,960
get

2390
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,239
i agree with you i don't think it's

2391
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:22,639
being explored enough i think in

2392
01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:26,080
in the matter maybe people try to use it

2393
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:27,480
for ghost

2394
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:30,480
investigations i you know that may very

2395
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,679
well be true i don't

2396
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,800
you know i don't really know the

2397
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:35,440
correlation but you know

2398
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:38,480
i i do know where there are known ley

2399
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,120
lines

2400
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:42,080
the um and i i've done this the

2401
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,199
measurements

2402
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,360
just go crazy and in fact you go up and

2403
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:47,679
down the leg line and know the lane line

2404
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:55,750
it's never a steady reading and i've

2405
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:57,520
mentioned that also in my book about the

2406
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,880
37 parallel

2407
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,880
you know that goes across me that's

2408
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,560
another interesting aspect and if you

2409
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,719
look at the ley lines in connection with

2410
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,639
that 37 parallel you've got a lot of

2411
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,560
cross ones in there

2412
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,719
uh to a certain extent i don't know

2413
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:11,920
what's going on with that either but

2414
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,000
that's another interesting

2415
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,320
property as well i'll tell you this that

2416
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:18,639
i have noted in some of my

2417
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,960
ghost research and i've had this happen

2418
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,040
i have broken open fresh

2419
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,440
batteries put them in a device walk in

2420
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:27,520
the room and they committed a dream

2421
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:30,639
i've had people who have been attacked

2422
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,920
by that

2423
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:36,159
tell me later oh i feel completely

2424
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,440
drained

2425
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,600
you know and i said what's going on here

2426
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:40,960
these things

2427
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:44,960
use energy to manifest whatever it is

2428
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,840
absolutely and uh and there you have

2429
01:27:51,149 --> 01:27:49,040
with a ley line

2430
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,159
inherent higher field of

2431
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,280
electromagnetism would they not be gone

2432
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:54,719
to something like that definitely

2433
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,400
they are i think the i think they are i

2434
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,880
think um you know i i have talked to

2435
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:00,239
psychics and

2436
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:03,679
intuitives that tell me without a doubt

2437
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,480
they have seen

2438
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,920
spiritual activity high along ley lines

2439
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:09,280
they have actually seen they have

2440
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:11,199
actually seen entities moving along lego

2441
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:12,840
lines

2442
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,199
uh supposed to be a lot of churches

2443
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:17,360
built along some of those lines

2444
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:20,239
of that i have no doubt of that uh you

2445
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,560
know

2446
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:22,880
you go over to great britain over very

2447
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:23,600
well and

2448
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,390
i just forgot my train of thought right

2449
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:38,080
there for a second uh

2450
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:40,719
stonehenge where stonehenge is at uh the

2451
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:41,280
the

2452
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,199
that area and

2453
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:48,400
a lot of the um a lot of the areas where

2454
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,280
the uh

2455
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:51,199
where these these crop circles have been

2456
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:54,639
showing up are along leylands as well

2457
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:57,679
now if it has to do you know

2458
01:29:02,229 --> 01:29:00,159
i i myself don't believe the ley line

2459
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:02,239
activity has ain't doing ufos but i do

2460
01:29:05,310 --> 01:29:03,040
believe

2461
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:05,320
it has something to do with the uh the

2462
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,719
electromagnetic

2463
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,600
uh fields in the earth itself i think

2464
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:12,320
that's being manipulated somehow

2465
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,679
and i'll tell you something else and

2466
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:15,440
speaking of my own culture i'm

2467
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:19,199
scotch irish that race of people has

2468
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:19,520
been

2469
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,400
very close to the land uh very

2470
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,080
knowledgeable of the mystical

2471
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,560
properties of this world uh i think a

2472
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,840
lot of other

2473
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,520
nationalities are the same way too i'm

2474
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,040
not just singling them out

2475
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:33,120
it's better than anybody else but

2476
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:34,719
they're one example

2477
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,320
and um i believe these people especially

2478
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:39,520
the ancient peoples

2479
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:42,320
knew a lot more and felt a lot more

2480
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:43,280
along these

2481
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:45,520
ley lines about them or more

2482
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:46,719
knowledgeable about them

2483
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:50,400
than we are today and i believe that's

2484
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:52,080
what you're seeing here with

2485
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:53,920
the stonehenge and some of these places

2486
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:56,080
here in america that have been built

2487
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,120
on these lines as well i mean

2488
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:01,600
you gotta ask a question these people

2489
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:04,239
knew a little bit more or something

2490
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,760
well i think i i think uh yeah i think

2491
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:09,840
modern man for the most part has lost a

2492
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:11,440
lot of that intuition

2493
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:14,960
uh i know native americans

2494
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:17,760
were more spiritual and could detect

2495
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,800
these things even

2496
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:21,120
i mean those before them it just seems

2497
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:22,080
that you know if

2498
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:25,040
they needed it to survive for the most

2499
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,390
i agree i agree and you know these

2500
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:32,239
people were more sensitive in that

2501
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:32,960
aspect

2502
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:35,600
i think as we uh uh when we get older we

2503
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:36,239
lose

2504
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,400
a lot of that sensitivity as a matter of

2505
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,400
fact that's why i use a dog sometimes in

2506
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,000
my investigations

2507
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,159
uh they are very sensitive i pay

2508
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,840
attention to what they say for one

2509
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:47,520
the one thing the dog is not gonna lie

2510
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:49,120
to you he doesn't know how i

2511
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,239
he just tells you what he perceives uh

2512
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:55,040
to me that's a pretty good indicator of

2513
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,080
something you know

2514
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,159
uh that's why i like to use them a lot

2515
01:31:00,709 --> 01:31:00,239
on that and i pay attention to small

2516
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,719
children

2517
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,639
too who tell me things about that

2518
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:05,040
because unless they've been exposed to a

2519
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,320
lot of stuff and uh

2520
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,159
you know the smaller they are the least

2521
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:09,840
exposed they are

2522
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,440
they uh they don't tend to lie they

2523
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:13,360
don't have an opinion like the dogs or

2524
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:14,960
cats they don't have an opinion

2525
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:16,719
they're not they're they're their

2526
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,280
observation is not shaded my opinion

2527
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:21,679
that way and then these children are the

2528
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:23,440
same way and i pay attention a lot to

2529
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:25,679
that because i can tell you things

2530
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,719
you know uh about what's going on

2531
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,560
in that environment and i believe these

2532
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:32,320
people were very sensitive

2533
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:34,400
to their environment as well and i think

2534
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,320
we've lost a lot of that definitely

2535
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:39,040
especially since we were civilized we

2536
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:39,920
have become

2537
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,040
the more we lose that i believe

2538
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:45,840
definitely dennis tell folks a little

2539
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,480
bit about

2540
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:48,560
paranormal shop talk and how they can

2541
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:51,360
listen to the program

2542
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:54,639
the house the other things you mean

2543
01:32:01,830 --> 01:31:58,239
you're ready

2544
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:01,840
okay the uh the location blessings well

2545
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:03,920
you tell people how they can how they

2546
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:06,480
can get online to listen to your radio

2547
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:07,679
show

2548
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:11,040
oh oh okay uh i'm sorry uh

2549
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:13,760
the uh uh the best way to look it up is

2550
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,159
called

2551
01:32:19,149 --> 01:32:17,280
carolina radio it's all like carolina's

2552
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:19,159
carolina

2553
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:22,239
radio.com and it's called uh

2554
01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:24,880
paranormal shop talk right now we call

2555
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:25,070
the

2556
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:31,830
we just talk shop off top of our heads

2557
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:32,719
it has anything to do with the

2558
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,920
paranormal

2559
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,239
uh it's a free open comment at all we

2560
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:38,000
don't have any certain subject

2561
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:39,679
and we fight to sit around shoot the

2562
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,199
breeze for about hour and believe me it

2563
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,639
is one of the fastest hours it's an

2564
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:44,080
enjoyable thing

2565
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:47,360
and uh so we have that going uh and like

2566
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:48,719
i said we have a look here

2567
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:51,920
uh beyond the shadows uh

2568
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:54,639
a field guide to the paranormal and we

2569
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:55,840
also have

2570
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,560
the world unseen a paranormal journey

2571
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:00,639
into high strangeness

2572
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:03,040
uh i've got a lot of examples some

2573
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:04,239
people say it's almost like an

2574
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:06,719
encyclopedia not strangers because

2575
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:09,920
i put a lot of examples in there of what

2576
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:10,239
that

2577
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:14,159
lot of personal stories

2578
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:17,600
of our own and other people's uh we have

2579
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:20,560
uh some hypothesis that we look at some

2580
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:22,960
conjectures we do on something so

2581
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:25,280
it's a very interesting book i say that

2582
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,120
once you read this book

2583
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:28,800
you probably won't look at this world

2584
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:31,360
the same way again

2585
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,280
it raises a lot of questions and a lot

2586
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:35,120
of it gets you thinking a lot about some

2587
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,080
things

2588
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,639
and that's why we wrote it it's not only

2589
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,239
to be entertained but hopefully

2590
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,080
educational as well

2591
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:44,880
uh that can be found on amazon just you

2592
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:47,920
can look it up by my name dennis carroll

2593
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:49,760
or you can just look it up by the title

2594
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:51,920
of the road on the screen

2595
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:54,159
what's the uh what's the website what's

2596
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:55,120
your uh

2597
01:34:04,709 --> 01:33:58,719
url is the website you can find my

2598
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:04,719
website at carolinastri.net

2599
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,239
okay that's one word and uh

2600
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,080
we have a long title for our group so

2601
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:12,080
that's why we can't shorten it

2602
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,840
a little more man yeah that's your last

2603
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:20,000
definitely and dennis thanks for joining

2604
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:21,679
us we're just out of time tonight we got

2605
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,639
to uh

2606
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,000
wrap this up but we want to have you on

2607
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,239
again sometime show is very good

2608
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:28,080
a lot of good information man we can't

2609
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:30,080
thank you enough for coming on

2610
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:32,000
well yeah i appreciate it i enjoyed it

2611
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:33,920
and yeah definitely i will

2612
01:34:38,709 --> 01:34:36,080
be able to talk with you again this is

2613
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:38,719
one of my favorites

2614
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:41,040
well we appreciate it absolutely you

2615
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:42,080
know

2616
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:54,950
dennis carroll folks from carolina.com

2617
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:56,320
and i'll have the

2618
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:59,119
website up on arcaneradio.com so we can

2619
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,639
get more about dennis

2620
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:02,239
uh quite a few books actually he has

2621
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,000
published lon

2622
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:06,800
we're glad to have him on the program uh

2623
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,480
tonight albeit briefly and some

2624
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,480
technical difficulty but at last

2625
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:13,119
it's done any final thoughts lon nothing

2626
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,239
i can think of just

2627
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:17,040
everybody have a great weekend and we

2628
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,719
promise to get this stuff up as soon as

2629
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,239
possible

2630
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:21,840
that's right folks and you've been